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  • I wanted to start this discussion later than this but because shit happened and Hassat's decisions, it's starting now.


    Main Skill page layout

    Obviously the way skills were organized in the past aren't going to work for the new skills. So, I've devised we can organize the skills in one of two ways:

    This one below is convenient in that players looking for tactics on certain skills can just click where the skill would be in-game:

    Mastermind
    Medic Controller Sharpshooter
    Tier 4 skill 1 skill 1 skill 1
    Tier 3 skill 2 skill 3 skill 2 skill 3 skill 2 skill 3
    Tier 2 skill 4 skill 5 skill 4 skill 5 skill 4 skill 5
    Tier 1 skill 6 skill 6 skill 6

    This second one, which I previously had trouble making, would allow all five skill trees to be listed in succession with ease, and for this reason would take up less vertical space:

    Mastermind
    Tier 1 Tier 2 Tier 3 Tier 4
    Medic skill 1 skill 2
    skill 3
    skill 4
    skill 5
    skill 6
    Controller skill 1 skill 2
    skill 3
    skill 4
    skill 5
    skill 6
    Sharpshooter skill 1 skill 2
    skill 3
    skill 4
    skill 5
    skill 6

    The above organization is what I think should be used for the new skills in the Skills navbox.

    And on to the second topic:

    How we're dealing with "retained" pre-U#100 skills

    Right now, Hassat is going for making skills that have retained names from before Update 100 (whether it was barely changed or hardly even the same skill anymore) to have tabbers that range from composing the in-game skill description at the top of the page to encompassing the entire page, which I honestly think looks ugly as hell.

    Now, I may half-agree with Hassat on that most of the weapon mods don't really deserve their own pages (but I don't agree with his idea for a weapon mod omni-article), but we're talking about skills that range from "the same as ever" to "the name is the only thing from the old skill" here.

    For the "TSAE" skills, I believe that the trivia noting the skill's old requirements and how it was changed to what it is today works just fine, while for the "TNITOTFTOS" skills, I strongly believe that the new skill needs to have a page separate from the old one.

    I don't know how to conclude this post.

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    • Hopefully I ain't the shit 0_0.
      That table for the Skills page or the Template:Payday 2 skills? It looks good for the template. What trouble did you run into?

      Apparently Overkill is working on making the consoles updated, so just tabbering allows to quickly take those down if that happens rather than having to remove dozens upon dozens of pages.

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    • Partners in crime, only the numbers got (slightly) altered, so I see no need having it as 2 pages. They're nearly identical in content.

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    • no, shit in real life. it's why i wasn't editing anything for 3 hours.

      anyway:

      1. the table i successfully made is one of the options for the skills page. imo it's too long to be practical for the navbox.
      2. i couldn't get the double-skill tiers to appear right and now i realize i could just use <br> fuck me
      3. yes but its name was changed
      Mastermind
      Tier 1 Tier 2 Tier 3 Tier 4
      Medic skill 1 skill 2
      skill 3
      skill 4
      skill 5
      skill 6
      Controller skill 1 skill 2
      skill 3
      skill 4
      skill 5
      skill 6
      Sharpshooter skill 1 skill 2
      skill 3
      skill 4
      skill 5
      skill 6

      that is what i was going for, gaaawd

      editing op

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    • Lol, I didn't even notice the namechange... did it change? I guess since 2 converts possible. Still don't think a new page is needed for a s when a re-direct can work.

      Table looks good.

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    • I also want to ask what we're doing with the main Skills page but honestly I got nothing alternative right now other than what I made the page.

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    • I think a seperate PC and console section is good till (if?) consoles get updated.

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    • Check out the Template:Payday 2 skills if you like it... before I start adding doing the work all new skills to it :) (it's currently just 5 slightly updated Mastermind's).

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    • Okay "align:center" obviously ain't working.

      I tweaked the tables in the OP and made it a little more clear what I'm going for:

      Mastermind
      Medic Controller Sharpshooter
      Tier 4 Achievement lockedskill 1
      Basic (4 pt): desc
      Ace (8 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 1
      Basic (4 pt): desc
      Ace (8 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 1
      Basic (4 pt): desc
      Ace (8 pt): desc
      Tier 3 Achievement lockedskill 2
      Basic (3 pt): desc
      Ace (6 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Basic (3 pt): desc
      Ace (6 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 2
      Basic (3 pt): desc
      Ace (6 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 2
      Basic (3 pt): desc
      Ace (6 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Basic (3 pt): desc
      Ace (6 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 2
      Basic (3 pt): desc
      Ace (6 pt): desc
      Tier 2 Achievement lockedskill 4
      Basic (2 pt): desc
      Ace (4 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Basic (2 pt): desc
      Ace (4 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Basic (2 pt): desc
      Ace (4 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Basic (2 pt): desc
      Ace (4 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Basic (2 pt): desc
      Ace (4 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Basic (2 pt): desc
      Ace (4 pt): desc
      Tier 1 Achievement lockedskill 6
      Basic (1 pt): desc
      Ace (3 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Basic (1 pt): desc
      Ace (3 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Basic (1 pt): desc
      Ace (3 pt): desc
      Mastermind
      Tier 1 Tier 2 Tier 3 Tier 4
      Medic Achievement lockedskill 1
      Basic (1 pt): desc
      Ace (3 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 2
      Basic (2 pt): desc
      Ace (4 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Basic (2 pt): desc
      Ace (4 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Basic (3 pt): desc
      Ace (6 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Basic (4 pt): desc
      Ace (8 pt): desc
      Controller Achievement lockedskill 1
      Basic (1 pt): desc
      Ace (3 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 2
      Basic (2 pt): desc
      Ace (4 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Basic (2 pt): desc
      Ace (4 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Basic (3 pt): desc
      Ace (6 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Basic (4 pt): desc
      Ace (8 pt): desc
      Sharpshooter Achievement lockedskill 1
      Basic (1 pt): desc
      Ace (3 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 2
      Basic (2 pt): desc
      Ace (4 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Basic (2 pt): desc
      Ace (4 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Basic (3 pt): desc
      Ace (6 pt): desc
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Basic (4 pt): desc
      Ace (8 pt): desc

      gotta find a way to remove the bolding

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    • Think the bolding is due to the 110% text size.

      I prefer the second one looking at it like this.

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    • The skills navbox obvs isn't going to have the skill descriptions, but still:

      Mastermind
      Tier 1 Tier 2 Tier 3 Tier 4
      Medic Achievement lockedskill 1 Achievement lockedskill 2
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Controller Achievement lockedskill 1 Achievement lockedskill 2
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Sharpshooter Achievement lockedskill 1 Achievement lockedskill 2
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Enforcer
      Shotgunner Achievement lockedskill 1 Achievement lockedskill 2
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Tank Achievement lockedskill 1 Achievement lockedskill 2
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Ammo Specialist Achievement lockedskill 1 Achievement lockedskill 2
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Technician
      Engineer Achievement lockedskill 1 Achievement lockedskill 2
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Breacher Achievement lockedskill 1 Achievement lockedskill 2
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Oppressor Achievement lockedskill 1 Achievement lockedskill 2
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Ghost
      Shinobi Achievement lockedskill 1 Achievement lockedskill 2
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Artful Dodger Achievement lockedskill 1 Achievement lockedskill 2
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Silent Killer Achievement lockedskill 1 Achievement lockedskill 2
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Fugitive
      Gunslinger Achievement lockedskill 1 Achievement lockedskill 2
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Revenant Achievement lockedskill 1 Achievement lockedskill 2
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Achievement lockedskill 6
      Brawler Achievement lockedskill 1 Achievement lockedskill 2
      Achievement lockedskill 3
      Achievement lockedskill 4
      Achievement lockedskill 5
      Achievement lockedskill 6

      Also the "font-size:110%" only affects the header.

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