I'll be honest, i don't have a fucking clue about why the "contribution" log has red and green + and - signs. Are they ratings by other people? Are they some of scomplex script, or what? No seriously, what is that about? Do you know? They confuse the hell out of me.
From what I made out of the system, red values are for when your edit takes away a chunk of text or image from an article, and green when you add more to it. Think of it like an essay's wordcount, red means you've shortened the page, and adding more text to it makes it green.
While i do have genuine hatred 4 wikia formula, i sometimes do NOT have much of a choice in that regard, especially when there aren't other well (or crap) made alternative wikies, such as uesp.net and the grand theft wiki, 2 name a few. Although, that might just appear 2 be my personal preference.
Besides, i do not think all wikia wikies are crap, such as Nukapedia and warframe wiki, which both of are put together extremely well. But then, there's complete pieces of shit like the Toukiden wikia, that isn't even funny on how out of date and unprofessional it is, which makes it seem extremely cringeworthy quality wise, as it gives off a very obvious "we don't fucking care" vibe.
Regardless, 1 of my favorite past is reading wiki pages in general, sometimes getting lost reading them 4 several hours at a time, 4 discernible reason. A lot people think it's weird.
With all honesty, if the visual format, comment section coding such as taking me out the ps4's virtual keyboard every time i press the enter/tab button equivalent, amongst other minor issues didn't exist, i probably would like a majority of wikia wikies. While i do oftentimes come off as hostile, it's nothing you guys should concern yourselves with, as i generally am a pretty much an all round nice guy when im not being asshat, sadly many people think me being dickish is all there is 2 me personally which isn't true thankfully.
Your help and input is always welcomed by us, don't get me wrong, and some features on our Wiki are clunky as all heck, that much I agree. We were never really big to begin with, and most of the people handy with coding or things of that type have either gone or only showing up every now and then.
I'm the resident template coder and fixer-upper for the wiki at the moment, and Hassat and GameZone manage how they can, but as we are the wiki is severely understaffed, so we can't really expect the same degree of finesse as the larger ones.
I'm glad you weren't here when we were just getting started, or you might blow a gasket at how poor most of the features were back then. Compared to 2014, the current state of the wiki is a tremendous improvement.
Well, while i am generally hostile towards places like Toukiden wikia (and with good reason), i can respect the wikia wikies, so long as are frequently updated and aren't severely out of date (or just plain removing information 4 no discernible reason).
Im honestly not hugely surprised that you guys are severely understaffed, as the clunkyness is relatively obvious, i was initially expecting better qualities, especially after what im fairly certain was either nukapedia or warframe wiki and was very disappointed after i noticed the lack of quality control, but it's not a huge surprise, especially since you guys are understaffed. Especially since the Payday 2 series a relatively popular (arguably) niche series.
Back in the day when most actually cared about PAYDAY we had a lot of traffic and with that lots of productive and helpful editors. Then CrimeFest 2015 hit and most of us either jumped ship or lost interest. Prior to that point Rhyzak was the chief "inventor" among us, which then transited to me and Hassat when he eventually quit. Hassat is more of a game-savvy admin, since he's quite active on the Steam forums instead of around here, but even then he eventually got banned for asking questions the devs didn't want him to. I myself is new to coding, and admittedly I'm quite bad at it, but most of the templates on the wiki right now are my handiwork, or of others that I've improved upon.
Despite being one of the more active editors who still play the game on a semi-regular basis, I'm starting to see myself faltering as well, so much of the stagnation in wiki progress could very well be due to me slacking off, in a sense.
To tell you the truth, Relixa and GFreeman, I hate the fact that Payday Wiki still hasn't been able to move to the portable infoboxes (which are pretty much a standard now, as shown on Nukapedia, Fire Emblem Wiki, erm… what else?). I even made drafts that are practically just lying around at the moment, probably to be forgotten.
Portable Infoboxes only work on very basic content that's all-text. Put formulas and calculations in like those of the melee weapon or grenade infoboxes and the template freaks out.
That, combined with how stripped-down they have to look and the fact that you can't really fine-tune them without diving into Wikia CSS which only admins could do, makes portables more of a hassle than anything.
Heisters use if/else too to showcase which icons are used (do portable allow that?)
Which would only leave characters, of which we got very few off. Might aswell keep the status quo for them.
And yeah, I do bound in from time to time but real desire to do much effort; not here. Still haven't looked into the values of Brooklyn and Reservoir and likely never will. If Overkill decides they rather ban me rather than step up their extremely sub-par way then why should I actually put in more effort than they do?
I don't really *want* to do that much effort for this, especially seeing my lingering interest in the game due to Overkill's actions.
What voicelines would be interesting anyways? All I can think of is those not actually running ingame, either by bugs or cut content.
Because their game engines are far less annoying to work with than Diesel. Fallout's files are literally one archive away from being fully-extracted and most of them don't even require a dedicated app to do. Bethesda literally gave you the tools to unpack their asset files, while PAYDAY had to make do with a fan made one that could take upwards of an hour to extract textures alone.
Hey GFreeman! I'm Jamie from FANDOM's Community Development team! Not sure if we never asked you if you are interested in turning on the Discussions feature for this community, and migrating the Threaded Forums across as well.
In case you are unaware of the feature, Discussions was introduced last year to help communities engage with users and fans. It lives in its own space on the wiki and allows users to interact with other members of the community. It is also mobile friendly and gives mobile users a chance to contribute and engage with the community, and possibly turn them into wiki editors as well. Discussions also links with our FANDOM Apps, which this community has and it allows app users to easily take part in Discussions as well. You can read more about Discussions here.
For more information on migrating forums to Discussions, you can check out this blog over on Community Central that explains everything in detail.
If you have some concerns, Discussions, and Forums can exist side-by-side in case you do not want to migrate just yet. However, eventually all Forums will be migrated over to Discussions and Forums will be sunsetted as a feature, so getting ahead of the curve is never a bad idea.
Feel free to have an open discussion with your community about this, and I'm available for any questions you might have. Have a good one!
I find it an interesting function and would like to see it in action, but I couldn't find the feature anywhere on my admin dashboard, so might I ask if it's still under development or something? Since I'm interested in giving it a test drive anyway, I'd like to also have the ability to disable it, if temporarily, if it's not working as intended.
Yeah I've seen it in action on some other wiki that I frequent. Couldn't hurt to keep it on, I suppose, since I've been trying to find a way to soup up our Forums anyway. I'd say, if possible, I'd like to have both running side-by-side for the time being, since that way it will give time for the older contributors to familiarise themselves with the new format while also letting newcomers engage in conversations without being weirded out.
I don't quite recall explicitly calling the SE limited? Checked again with the store today, though, and learned that Sept 27 is only the end of the promo and not the sale of the SE as I believed, so that might have been the misleading factor.
Heh, now I notice they literally copied+pasted "Stick together to increase survivability. Or split up to do objectives faster." and "Remember a lone player is an easy target for Cloakers." from me... yay? :)
GFreeman wrote: I meant whoever came up with the tips themselves have wonky English, not you though.
This gem stands out in partcular: Gameplay tip #45 - Tasers can pin down your teammates, kill the Taser to help your teammates.
A reasonably educated person would not repeat words in the same sentence.
Some could be rewritten and simplified. "Tasers can stun your teammates. Kill the Taser to help them."
Or something like that. More importantly, I saw a couple of hints being quite outdated, or not adding crucial info (such as saying securing optional loot is beneficial but didn't mention it's not worth it at all on Crime Spree).
Yeah, they haven't been updating them at all to keep up with new changes, reported a few on the forums myself, some of the red text is also from topics other people made about incorrect or incomplete tips.
Some of the tips use the wrong terminology despite the rest of the game using correct terminology, for example: Gameplay tip #125 - 'Most guns reload faster when you have bullets left in the clip.' Despite the game normally correctly referring to them as magazines.
I've a feeling you'd be the one to point that out.
But yes, as things stand some of the tips are rather poorly written or just flat-out incorrect, and require some correction. Of all editors on the wiki only Hassat seems to be able to make a say when it comes to gameplay stuff to the devs, and even then it's not always successful if his paranoia blog is any indication.
I don't think they even proof read the tips, as if they did I doubt there would be as many mistakes, it seems likely that they probably just had some random people write a large number of the tips down and then just added them without checking the contents for errors.