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GFreeman

aka Akiba

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  • I live in Hertfortshire, England
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  • It seems like Reddit is up in arms over this edit, so I wanted to make a second thread where we can discuss this using a more neutral tone and try to decide what style the wiki should take with respect to continuity and retcons in general.

    I'd like to start off by acknowledging that both of you have valid arguments -- The past several years of canon do strongly seem to suggest that Payday 2 occurs after John Wick, whereas I'm told the secret ending retcons this to suggest that it occurs before. The issue of whether 'Word of God' canon or in-universe canon should win out is a whole different can of worms that I'd just as soon not open today.

    Given there isn't a clear definitive answer, I think the best thing to do would be to acknowledge the controversy by presenting both points of view on the page. For instance, we could have a section for Wick's associations beyond the Payday gang. We could then add a note on the timing -- that it originally occurred before the events of Payday 2 but was later retconned to occur after.

    In this way, page viewers are given all the info they might need, and we can cover an apparently disputed issue in an uncontroversial, neutral way.

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    • Post got deleted. Gee, I wonder why.

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    • GFreeman wrote:
      Post got deleted. Gee, I wonder why.

      The virgin Reddit vs the Chad PAYDAY 2 Wiki



      I guess my right to get a medic bag has been revoked with what I said. 

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  • The credit of the true ending confirms that PAYDAY 2 takes place before John Wick. Why did you keep the Wick page outdated like that. Was it because I didn't cite the reference?

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    GFreeman
    GFreeman closed this thread because:
    Unable to resolve. OP is not willing to acknowledge counterpoint.
    16:31, November 9, 2018
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    • I still don't see Wordsmith saying anything about John being 100% as how he is in the game. In fact, the only thing he ever said in that post is that the story is told by unreliable narrators. I still don't see a single line of logic that justifies you suddenly becoming the man in charge of canon because the devs retcon something. Say something relevant to the argument.

      All of the meta explanation is irrelevant, all of the references to the movie is irrelevant, because they are outdated and retconned by the ending. That's the part you haven't done a thing to disprove, other than claiming that the devs have no right to retcon their own work or that you suddenly decide canon because of the inconsistencies.

      Whether you can buy a fact or not is irrelevant, because you don't decide canon. To make this clear once and for all, what you feel is completely irrelevant, because it is not your intellectual property. The purpose of this wiki is to inform. You are doing a piss poor job of that by posting outdated information just because you can't buy some fact.

      They have already fixed the inconsistency issue by declaring that what happened in the game is prone to embellishment. Instead of addressing that, you put words in Wordsmith's mouth and says things that he never said.

      I have debated with you in goodwill, and I believe I still do, but it's hard to maintain a level-headed tone when you present your argument the way you do. Acting as though inconsistency (which is par for the course for retcons) gives you the right to decide canon. Claiming that true facts are important in one place, using an argument that depends on something that the dev never said in the other.

      Good day to you.

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    • Since you don't seem willing to see my point, I shall lock this thread and end this pointless argument. 

      Good day to you, too.

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  • https://tcrf.net/Payday:_The_Heist/Unused_Textures

    Probably more out there but the Payday 2 Yachtheist makes it hard to google and not find stuff about that instead.

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    • Huh, the only change I see from the PDTH image is the lighting. I'll add that to the trivia.

      Thanks for the find.

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  • Kross-Vertex-Crescent
    noticed it uses the uncommon background instead of common

    didn't know where else to leave this

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    GameZone1
    GameZone1 closed this thread because:
    hoorah
    11:52, June 17, 2018
  • I'll be honest, i don't have a fucking clue about why the "contribution" log has red and green + and - signs. Are they ratings by other people? Are they some of scomplex script, or what? No seriously, what is that about? Do you know? They confuse the hell out of me.

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    • Well, surprising nobody, that yielded no results. No surprise there. I'll let you guys brainstorm this 1, i have no idea what im doing with these .stream files.

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    • Im guessing this project of mine is dead, unless we start editing down clips from youtube videos 2 get sound files.

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  • hi

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  • Hey GFreeman! I'm Jamie from FANDOM's Community Development team! Not sure if we never asked you if you are interested in turning on the Discussions feature for this community, and migrating the Threaded Forums across as well.

    In case you are unaware of the feature, Discussions was introduced last year to help communities engage with users and fans. It lives in its own space on the wiki and allows users to interact with other members of the community. It is also mobile friendly and gives mobile users a chance to contribute and engage with the community, and possibly turn them into wiki editors as well. Discussions also links with our FANDOM Apps, which this community has and it allows app users to easily take part in Discussions as well. You can read more about Discussions here.

    For more information on migrating forums to Discussions, you can check out this blog over on Community Central that explains everything in detail.

    If you have some concerns, Discussions, and Forums can exist side-by-side in case you do not want to migrate just yet. However, eventually all Forums will be migrated over to Discussions and Forums will be sunsetted as a feature, so getting ahead of the curve is never a bad idea.

    Feel free to have an open discussion with your community about this, and I'm available for any questions you might have. Have a good one!

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    • Greetings and thanks for the suggestion.

      I find it an interesting function and would like to see it in action, but I couldn't find the feature anywhere on my admin dashboard, so might I ask if it's still under development or something? Since I'm interested in giving it a test drive anyway, I'd like to also have the ability to disable it, if temporarily, if it's not working as intended. 

      Thank you for your time.

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    • It's not enabled here on the wiki yet which is why you can't find it. But here are some examples:

      http://starwars.wikia.com/d/f

      http://marvel.wikia.com/d/f

      http://pokemon.wikia.com/d/

      http://horizonzerodawn.wikia.com/d/

      We'd rather not disable once discussions are enabled. But we are very happy to enable and leave forums as they are so that once forums are sunettted, it is a smooth migration and transition.

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    • Yeah I've seen it in action on some other wiki that I frequent. Couldn't hurt to keep it on, I suppose, since I've been trying to find a way to soup up our Forums anyway. I'd say, if possible, I'd like to have both running side-by-side for the time being, since that way it will give time for the older contributors to familiarise themselves with the new format while also letting newcomers engage in conversations without being weirded out.

      Thanks for the speedy reply as well.

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    • Wonderful. I'll get them enabled and get the ball rolling to enable in the app too, that part will take a little longer. Thanks so much and happy new year!

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  • So... anyone wants to change all Non-Halloween masks from orange to yellow (including the text in the popup). I really don't?

    Or do we wait till (if?) Overkill comes to their fucking senses?

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    Hassat Hunter
    Hassat Hunter closed this thread because:
    They came to their senses
    13:23, October 25, 2017
  • Where does it state the SE is limited edition?

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  • You must have missed where the RAID pre-order says the base game isn't in the base package.
    That's not exactly Overkill, but it's overly hilarious.
    https://www.starbreeze.com/2017/08/raid-world-war-ii-closed-beta-and-pre-order-available-thursday/

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